Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/10/2003 01:03 PM House JUD

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HB 83 - REVISED UNIFORM ARBITRATION ACT                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1243                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  announced that the  final order of  business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 83, "An Act adopting a  version of the Revised                                                               
Uniform  Arbitration  Act;  relating   to  the  state's  existing                                                               
Uniform Arbitration  Act; amending Rules  3, 18, 19, 20,  and 21,                                                               
Alaska  Rules  of Civil  Procedure,  Rule  601, Alaska  Rules  of                                                               
Evidence, and Rule 402, Alaska  Rules of Appellate Procedure; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1272                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ETHAN  BERKOWITZ,   Alaska  State   Legislature,                                                               
Sponsor, remarked  that although HB  83 is a  long bill, it  is a                                                               
simple one.  He went on to say:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In 1925 the federal  government put forward the Federal                                                                    
     Arbitration  Act  [FAA],  which enshrined  the  concept                                                                    
     that people  could arbitrate.   It used to  be somewhat                                                                    
     suspect in common  law that people could go  to a third                                                                    
     party to help resolve some  of the their disputes.  And                                                                    
     in  1955   the  Uniform   Arbitration  Act   [UAA]  was                                                                    
     promulgated  and eventually  adopted by  ... 49  of the                                                                    
     states; Alaska adopted it in  1968.  And that set forth                                                                    
     some of  the parameters and  some of the ways  in which                                                                    
     arbitration can come to exist.   Well, as is inevitably                                                                    
     the  case  with  laws,  as  ...  people  use  them  and                                                                    
     practice with  them, some deficiencies appeared  - some                                                                    
     "change needs" became  obvious - and in  the year 2000,                                                                    
     the Revised Uniform Arbitration  Act [RUAA] was drafted                                                                    
     by the  folks that  make [the]  uniform rules  that are                                                                    
     supposed to apply across the states.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     What this  bill is, is the  Revised Uniform Arbitration                                                                    
     Act.    It incorporates  the  thoughts  of many  people                                                                    
     across the country and many  Alaskans.  In fact, today,                                                                    
     the chair of the  RUAA, the Revised Uniform Arbitration                                                                    
     Act, Mr.  Francis Pavetti, is available  to testify, as                                                                    
     are ...  an Alaskan  member of  the committee,  Mr. Art                                                                    
     Peterson;  in  your  file  you'll  see  a  letter  from                                                                    
     another member,  Mr. Grant Callow;  and Mr.  Bob Landau                                                                    
     is  also   apparently  available  to  testify   on  the                                                                    
     subject.  What  this does, what the 2000  RUAA does, as                                                                    
     opposed to the 1955  Uniform Arbitration Act, [is that]                                                                    
     there's five  new areas  that it  ... fleshes  out, and                                                                    
     there's  eight  areas where  it  revises  it.   They're                                                                    
     fairly simple.   I'm not the expert in it.   I'm merely                                                                    
     the shepherd here.  I  would encourage you, as you have                                                                    
     questions, I can  answer some of them, but  you do have                                                                    
     some  national   experts  available  to   address  this                                                                    
     subject matter.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ, in response  to questions, relayed that                                                               
HB 83  does not repeal  the UAA; instead,  if HB 83  passes, both                                                               
the UAA and the RUAA [will be in effect].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1436                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR   H.  PETERSON,   Commissioner,  National   Conference  of                                                               
Commissioners on  Uniform State Laws (NCCUSL),  after noting that                                                               
he is an  attorney currently practicing with the  Juneau law firm                                                               
of Dillon & Findley, PC, relayed  that he would be speaking as an                                                               
NCCUSL commissioner for Alaska.  He  stated his support of HB 83,                                                               
adding that the Alaska delegation  to the NCCUSL has reviewed the                                                               
RUAA and was present at the  NCCUSL's annual meeting at which the                                                               
RUAA  was promulgated/adopted.   "We  supported it  then, and  we                                                               
support now," he remarked.   He explained that the RUAA addresses                                                               
a  number  of  "updating  features," areas  of  arbitration  that                                                               
haven't  been addressed  in the  past but  that need  to be.   It                                                               
resolves issues that have arisen  through the arbitration process                                                               
and any  subsequent litigation.   "It takes  care of a  number of                                                               
problems; smoothes things out;  makes arbitration more available;                                                               
tries to  resolve some federal-state issues,  and generally makes                                                               
arbitration, as an alternative to litigation, easier and better.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PETERSON,  as background,  offered  that  the NCCUSL,  which                                                               
drafted the  RUAA, is an  organization that is  approximately 108                                                               
years old, and that Alaska has  been a member of the NCCUSL since                                                               
1913 and  has been a  beneficiary of approximately  65-70 uniform                                                               
Acts -  or revised versions  of those  Acts - promulgated  by the                                                               
NCCUSL.    "So,  we've  been  a major  contributor  and  a  major                                                               
beneficiary of the NCCUSL," he  added, noting that the NCCUSL has                                                               
produced  the Uniform  Commercial Code,  which governs  virtually                                                               
all  commercial  activities  throughout  the  U.S.;  the  Uniform                                                               
Probate Code,  which Alaska has  enacted; and many  other uniform                                                               
Acts pertaining to  issues for which uniformity  among the states                                                               
is desirable.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1600                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  L.  LESSMEIER, Attorney  at  Law,  Lessmeier &  Winters;                                                               
Lobbyist  for  State  Farm   Insurance  Company  ("State  Farm"),                                                               
relayed   that  he   has  a   concern  regarding   proposed  Sec.                                                               
09.43.330(b) and  (c), found on  page 3 of HB  83.  He  said that                                                               
upon  reading this  language,  it  seems that  the  issue of  who                                                               
decides whether  there is an  agreement to arbitrate  is unclear.                                                               
Subsection (b)  says that  the court shall  decide, which  is the                                                               
way  it is  under existing  law  and, he  opined, is  the way  it                                                               
should be.   Subsection (c)  refers to "a condition  precedent to                                                               
arbitrability"  and  "whether  a   contract  containing  a  valid                                                               
agreement to  arbitrate is enforceable".   He said that  it seems                                                               
as though  there is a  conflict over  this issue, adding  that if                                                               
the  purpose  of  HB  83   is  to  prevent  litigation  and  make                                                               
arbitration easier, then this issue should be resolved.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1701                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  W.  LANDAU, Attorney  at  Law;  Arbitrator, Mediator  and                                                               
Hearing Officer,  after remarking that  he has not  been involved                                                               
in   drafting  the   RUAA,  said   that  issues   of  substantive                                                               
arbitrability, which  means whether or  not an issue  should even                                                               
be  before an  arbitrator,  have generally  been  handled by  the                                                               
court.  In  contrast, issues of procedural  arbitrability - which                                                               
have to  do with the timeliness  of a request for  arbitration or                                                               
other  types  of  procedural  objections  in  arbitration  -  are                                                               
normally handled by an arbitrator.   He said that arbitration has                                                               
proven to be a very fair  and cost effective alternative to going                                                               
to court;  it is an  alternative that is increasingly  being used                                                               
as the courts become more expensive  and time consuming.  He went                                                               
on to say:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  State  of Alaska  has  long  had a  strong  public                                                                    
     policy favoring arbitration of  disputes, and, in fact,                                                                    
     we've had  a number  of Alaska Supreme  Court decisions                                                                    
     recognizing  arbitration  as  a  good  way  to  resolve                                                                    
     disputes out of  court, and in general  the courts have                                                                    
     been   very  deferential   to   the   awards  made   by                                                                    
     arbitrators.  I'm  here to give you my  standpoint as a                                                                    
     practicing arbitrator,  and, in general, I  welcome the                                                                    
     [terms] of  the revised Act.   I think the  revised Act                                                                    
     provides  a   clearer  and  more   detailed  procedural                                                                    
     framework  for   handling  arbitration   cases  without                                                                    
     making the  process too legalistic.   And, in addition,                                                                    
     the revised Act gives  the parties and arbitrators some                                                                    
     additional tools  to make arbitration a  more efficient                                                                    
     process  and at  the same  time protect  against what's                                                                    
     been called "trial by surprise."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In many  arbitrations, the first time  the parties meet                                                                    
     with  the  arbitrator is  at  the  hearing itself,  and                                                                    
     there's very  little in the way  of prehearing process.                                                                    
     And  what this  revised Act  tries to  do is  allow for                                                                    
     some  methods  of  prehearing  procedure  so  that  the                                                                    
     hearing process  is not  so much of  a surprise  to any                                                                    
     party.  Some  of the tools that are  provided under the                                                                    
     revised  Act  include  such  things  as:    preliminary                                                                    
     conferences   with   the  arbitrator;   discovery   and                                                                    
     exchange of  information between  the parties;  and the                                                                    
     ability  to  make  dispositive motions  in  appropriate                                                                    
     cases  and   avoid  the  need  for   having  a  hearing                                                                    
     altogether.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1881                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LANDAU concluded:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     And the  final point I  would make is that  the Revised                                                                    
     Uniform   Arbitration  Act   is  consistent   with  the                                                                    
     arbitration  rules  of  some  of  the  leading  private                                                                    
     arbitration   organizations   such  as   the   American                                                                    
     Arbitration   Association,  which   has  endorsed   the                                                                    
     revised  Act.    And  I   won't  go  through  the  many                                                                    
     professional organizations  that support it, but  it is                                                                    
     a useful device  for those of us that  practice in this                                                                    
     field.     It  will   make  arbitration   fairer,  more                                                                    
     efficient, and  more useful to parties  with or without                                                                    
     lawyers.  And so for  those reasons I support ... House                                                                    
     Bill 83, and I urge the committee to approve it.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG relayed that  he is presently before the                                                               
Alaska Supreme Court in a  fee arbitration case involving his law                                                               
firm, and, as a result, he's  had recent experience in the Alaska                                                               
Superior Court  with the present  UAA as  it relates to  the "fee                                                               
arb" provision,  which is  a rule in  the Alaska  Bar Association                                                               
rules allowing  clients to "fee  arb" if they have  a controversy                                                               
over the amounts charged.  He went on to say:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     So I'm  quite familiar ...  [with] how ...  the present                                                                    
     Act works.   I'm  looking particularly  at a  couple of                                                                    
     sections that  we have dealt  with in court.  ... There                                                                    
     are  some  differences  between  the  current  sections                                                                    
     involving  getting what's  called  confirmation of  the                                                                    
     award - ... the arbitrator  makes an award and then you                                                                    
     have to go  to court to get your  judgment, and they'll                                                                    
     normally  confirm the  award unless  you either  get it                                                                    
     vacated or modified - and  we're looking in the bill at                                                                    
     pages 12 and  13 ... , and in ...  [AS 09.43.120 and AS                                                                    
     09.43.130] of  the current [statute] which  is going to                                                                    
     be  supplanted  by  this, ultimately.    And  what  I'm                                                                    
     wondering  ...  is,  I  see   there  are  a  number  of                                                                    
     differences between the current  Act and revised Act in                                                                    
     those particular sections, which  are the sections that                                                                    
     ... the court concerns itself with.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked  that, at  some  point,  someone                                                               
address those  differences, in particular,  as well as  the other                                                               
differences between the UAA and the RUAA.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2015                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
FRANCIS  J.  PAVETTI,  Chair,  Revised  Uniform  Arbitration  Act                                                               
(RUAA) Drafting  Committee, National Conference  of Commissioners                                                               
on Uniform  State Laws (NCCUSL),  in response, after  noting that                                                               
he is not familiar with  Alaska's statute specifically, said that                                                               
the UAA, which  was approved by the NCCUSL in  1956, and the RUAA                                                               
are  essentially  the  same.    He  mentioned  that  there  is  a                                                               
provision in the  RUAA that requires arbitrators  to disclose any                                                               
conflicting   interests  or   relationships,   and  a   provision                                                               
pertaining  to  evident partiality.    Elaborating  on that  last                                                               
point, he said:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We make  a distinction as  to evident partiality  by an                                                                    
     arbitrator appointed  as a neutral arbitrator.   And we                                                                    
     have distinguished there  because party arbitrators are                                                                    
     a  ...  somewhat  common practice  whereby  each  party                                                                    
     appoints  a  party  arbitrator  to  appoint  a  neutral                                                                    
     arbitrator.     And  we've   only  made   this  evident                                                                    
     partiality   section  apply   to  neutral   arbitrators                                                                    
     because, in most  cases, [from] all that  we have heard                                                                    
     and   all  that   I  know   about  arbitration,   party                                                                    
     arbitrators do  communicate with  their parties  and do                                                                    
     have   some  degree   of  partiality   because  they're                                                                    
     appointed  by   them,  and  it's  really   the  neutral                                                                    
     arbitrator  who is  the final  determiner.   So, that's                                                                    
     the   only  difference   that  I   know  of,   is  that                                                                    
       clarification as to evident partiality we find in                                                                        
     neutral arbitrators.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG said  that  he's noticed  approximately                                                               
three or four  differences.  He read from AS  09.43.120, which in                                                               
part says:   "the court  shall vacate an  award if ...  (2) there                                                               
was evident  partiality by an  arbitrator appointed as  a neutral                                                               
...."  He then  read from HB 83, page 12,  lines 16-17:  "evident                                                               
partiality by  an arbitrator appointed  as a  neutral arbitrator.                                                               
Therefore, he surmised, the only change  is the second use of the                                                               
word "arbitrator".  According to  his understanding, he remarked,                                                               
the term "neutral"  used as a noun, rather than  as an adjective,                                                               
is a little broader.  He  asked why the term "neutral arbitrator"                                                               
was not used in the original language.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI said  that the reason it was not  used is because the                                                               
Act itself  made no distinction  between neutral  arbitrators and                                                               
party arbitrators,  adding that  "you really have  to go  back to                                                               
...  Section 12"  of  the UAA,  in which  failure  to disclose  a                                                               
conflict creates  a presumption of  evident partiality.   "So, to                                                               
that  extent, the  distinction comes  into play  because ...  the                                                               
feeling is  that an award should  not be vacated because  a party                                                               
arbitrator was ... partial," he remarked.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2209                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG,  referring to AS 09.43.120  and page 12                                                               
of  HB  83,   lines  19-20,  remarked  that   the  former  reads,                                                               
"misconduct  prejudicing  the rights  of  a  party", whereas  the                                                               
latter  reads,  "misconduct  by  an  arbitrator  prejudicing  the                                                               
rights of  a party".   He observed  that in criminal  cases, "you                                                               
can have misconduct by  a party or by a counsel  for a party that                                                               
would vitiate - or void -  the proceedings."  He relayed that his                                                               
concern  is that  only misconduct  by an  arbitrator could  cause                                                               
vacation  of the  award.   He opined  that it  is possible  for a                                                               
party to so disrupt the  proceedings that they could be corrupted                                                               
in the legal  sense.  He remarked that he  preferred the language                                                               
that   just   said   "misconduct"  versus   "misconduct   by   an                                                               
arbitrator".                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI  remarked that  the latter wording,  in the  RUAA, is                                                               
not a change from the language in the UAA.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   surmised,  then,  that   perhaps  the                                                               
current language in  AS 09.43.120 is a result of  changes made by                                                               
the legislature in adopting the UAA.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    BERKOWITZ    suggested   that    Representative                                                               
Gruenberg's  concern is  addressed by  the language  on page  12,                                                               
lines 13-14, which reads, "the  award was procured by corruption,                                                               
fraud,  or other  undue  means".   After  acknowledging that  the                                                               
evolution of  legislation can  be critical  [for] interpretations                                                               
by subsequent  courts, Representative Berkowitz pointed  out that                                                               
a fairly  exhaustive 2002 Alaska  Law Review article  included in                                                               
members'  packets -  titled "Is  the Revised  Uniform Arbitration                                                               
Act a Good Fit For Alaska?"  - addresses many of the issues being                                                               
raised.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-18, SIDE B                                                                                                            
Number 2381                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI remarked  that the UAA of 1956  tracked, pretty much,                                                               
the language of  the FAA, which was enacted by  Congress in 1925.                                                               
In  the FAA,  he  noted, it  refers to  how  the arbitrators  are                                                               
guilty  of misconduct  in  refusing to  postpone  the hearing  on                                                               
sufficient  cause   shown,  or  in  refusing   to  hear  evidence                                                               
pertinent  and  material to  the  controversy,  or of  any  other                                                               
misbehavior  by  which   the  rights  of  any   party  have  been                                                               
prejudiced.   He indicated that  the NCCUSL simply tried  to take                                                               
that  language,  since it  related  solely  to  the acts  of  the                                                               
arbitrator, and make it clearer.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA   returned  to  the  issue   raised  by  Mr.                                                               
Lessmeier,  and  asked   Representative  Berkowitz  whether  that                                                               
particular language in HB 83 is  the same language that is in the                                                               
current UAA.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  replied that  it is the  same language.                                                               
He then paraphrased  a portion of the commentary  included in the                                                               
UAA, pages 15-16, that read:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Subsections (b)  and (c) of  Section 6 are  intended to                                                                    
     incorporate the holdings of the  vast majority of state                                                                    
     courts and  the law  that has  developed under  the FAA                                                                    
     that, in the  absence of an agreement  to the contrary,                                                                    
     issues  of substantive  arbitrability, i.e.,  whether a                                                                    
     dispute is  encompassed by  an agreement  to arbitrate,                                                                    
     are  for a  court to  decide and  issues of  procedural                                                                    
     arbitrability,  i.e.,  whether  prerequisites  such  as                                                                    
     time  limits,  notice,   laches,  estoppel,  and  other                                                                    
     conditions  precedent  to  an obligation  to  arbitrate                                                                    
     have been met, are for the arbitrators to decide.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   noted  that   this  portion   of  the                                                               
commentary is  accompanied by "a  whole paragraph  of citations,"                                                               
and that this  language [that is of concern to  Mr. Lessmeier] is                                                               
merely a restatement of existing law.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG,  returning to the issue  of grounds for                                                               
vacating the  award, referred to page  12 of HB 83,  lines 26-28,                                                               
which read, "(5) there was  not an agreement to arbitrate, unless                                                               
the  person participated  in the  arbitration proceeding  without                                                               
raising the  objection under AS  09.43.420(c) not later  than the                                                               
beginning of  the arbitration hearing".   He noted  that [current                                                               
AS 09.43.120(a)(5)]  reads:  "there was  no arbitration agreement                                                               
and the issue  was not adversely determined  in proceedings under                                                               
AS  09.43.020   and  the  party   did  not  participate   in  the                                                               
arbitration  hearing without  raising the  objection".   He asked                                                               
whether the additional  wording of "not later  than the beginning                                                               
of the arbitration  hearing" is intended to  prevent someone from                                                               
going through the process only to  then ask for "a second bite of                                                               
the apple."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI indicated that that is correct.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2227                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked whether  the provision now located                                                               
in AS 9.43.120(b)  that reads, "The fact that the  relief is such                                                               
that it could  not or would not  be granted by a court  of law or                                                               
equity  is not  ground for  vacating or  refusing to  confirm the                                                               
award", has been eliminated from HB 83.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LESSMEIER observed that that  provision is located on page 11                                                               
of HB 83, lines 25-29, in proposed Sec. 09.43.480(c).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The Uniform Arbitration Act [UAA]  ... allows people to                                                                    
     agree to arbitrate.   The one problem  I have sometimes                                                                    
     with  arbitration is  that  ... unsuspecting  consumers                                                                    
     will  sign a  50-page  document, and  somewhere on  the                                                                    
     48th page - buried in small  print - is an agreement to                                                                    
     arbitrate.  And so the  courts have always tussled with                                                                    
     whether or not to enforce  these things that are buried                                                                    
     in the middle  of ... 50-page contracts.  So,  ... as I                                                                    
     look through  this revision of the  Uniform Arbitration                                                                    
     Act,  it  doesn't  really  address  that  situation  of                                                                    
     whether   or  not   an   agreement   to  arbitrate   is                                                                    
     enforceable in those situations;  ... in legal terms, I                                                                    
     guess,  they're contracts  of adhesion.  ... The  way I                                                                    
     read the Act, ... it  doesn't address that situation at                                                                    
     all, and I'm comfortable with  that, but I want to make                                                                    
     sure I didn't  miss something.  So,  [is] the situation                                                                    
     of the enforceability of  arbitration agreements - when                                                                    
     those agreements  are contained in very  large ... form                                                                    
     contracts - ... addressed anywhere in this revision?                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI relayed  that many of the drafters of  the RUAA would                                                               
have liked to address that  issue; however, under the doctrine of                                                               
federal preemption, according to  the U.S. Supreme Court decision                                                               
in Doctor's Associates, Inc. v.  Casarotto, a state's arbitration                                                             
statute  cannot treat  an arbitration  agreement any  differently                                                               
than any  other kind  of agreement.   In  other words,  he added,                                                               
special rules cannot  be made for the validity  of an arbitration                                                               
agreement that  don't apply  to all other  types of  contracts or                                                               
agreements.   In  both [the  RUAA] and  the FAA,  from which  the                                                               
federal preemption  doctrine emanates, there is  a provision that                                                               
says an  agreement to arbitrate  is valid and  irrevocable except                                                               
as provided  for by  law.  Thus,  because of  federal preemption,                                                               
the issue  raised by Representative  Gara could not  be addressed                                                               
via  state statute,  he remarked,  adding  that the  only way  to                                                               
address that issue would be to amend the FAA.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2020                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ, to  additionally address Representative                                                               
Gara's  question,  referred to  page  367  of the  aforementioned                                                               
Alaska  Law   Review  article,  and   read  from   the  following                                                               
paragraph:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  21  does  give   rise  to  concerns  regarding                                                                    
     adhesion  contracts  in   the  context  of  arbitration                                                                    
     agreements  between  consumers and  lenders,  employers                                                                    
     and employees,  and medical providers  and subscribers.                                                                    
     The  Drafting Committee  chose to  leave  the issue  of                                                                    
     adhesion contracts and  unconscionability to developing                                                                    
     case law  across the country.   The  Drafting Committee                                                                    
     noted  that  a  large   number  of  organizations  have                                                                    
     developed "Due Process  Protocols" to ensure procedural                                                                    
     and substantive  fairness in employment,  consumer, and                                                                    
     health care arbitrations.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI remarked  that an important feature of  the [RUAA] is                                                               
the great  amount of  party autonomy  that it  provides for.   In                                                               
other words,  he added,  the RUAA is  essentially a  default Act,                                                               
and the parties  are free to fashion  their arbitration agreement                                                               
to suit  their needs.   He mentioned that  Section 4 of  the RUAA                                                               
contains extensive waiver provisions,  noting that with regard to                                                               
the area of consumer protection,  certain fundamental rights such                                                               
as the right to counsel and  the right to move for "vacatory (ph)                                                               
confirmation" were preserved against the "nonwaiver rule."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL remarked that he  did not know how anybody                                                               
could proceed through the arbitration  system without the benefit                                                               
of counsel.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  directed members' attention to  page 2,                                                               
lines  24-25,  which  pertains  to   waiver  of  an  attorney  by                                                               
employers  and labor  organizations in  a labor  arbitration, and                                                               
asked  whether that  means  that "both  have to  do  it, or  that                                                               
either one can do it."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI said,  "Either one can do  it."  He added  that it is                                                               
pretty  common in  labor  arbitrations for  the  shop steward  to                                                               
represent the  employee; thus this provision  would be consistent                                                               
with longstanding practice.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1807                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LESSMEIER reiterated  his  concern  regarding proposed  Sec.                                                               
09.43.330(b) and  (c), remarking that the  two subsections appear                                                               
to conflict.   What is substantive and what is  procedural is not                                                               
necessarily  all that  clear, he  opined, noting  that there  has                                                               
been a lot of litigation over the years regarding this issue.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI  pointed out that  the language in  those subsections                                                               
is part  of existing  law, and that  there is a  lot of  case law                                                               
that supports  the rule as  stated in  that provision.   He noted                                                               
that this case  law is included in the commentary  section of the                                                               
UAA, which  is available on  the NCCUSL's  web site.   He relayed                                                               
that the purpose of including  that specific language in the RUAA                                                               
is to clarify it and make  people aware of it without them having                                                               
to go through a great deal of research.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE asked:   Wouldn't  it be  clearer just  to specify                                                               
that those decisions that the court  will have power over will be                                                               
those  that  are  substantive  as   opposed  to  those  that  are                                                               
procedural?                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PAVETTI  opined that  the  present  wording  is clear.    He                                                               
reiterated that there is a lot  of case law to support it, adding                                                               
that it is not a novel concept.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG, turning to  page 3, lines 6-7, remarked                                                               
that the  question, as listed  in proposed Sec.  09.43.330(b), of                                                               
"whether  ...  a  controversy  is  subject  to  an  agreement  to                                                               
arbitrate"   is  definitely   a  substantive   question,  not   a                                                               
procedural question.   Turning then  to lines  9-8 on page  3, in                                                               
proposed Sec. 09.43.330(c), he opined  that the words, "whether a                                                               
contract   containing  a   valid   agreement   to  arbitrate   is                                                               
enforceable"  is also  a substantive  question, not  a procedural                                                               
question.   He added:   "I don't think that  we can say  that the                                                               
distinction is  entirely substantive;  ... it appears,  from what                                                               
you people are  saying, that subsection (b),  that everything the                                                               
court decides is substantive, but  you cannot say that everything                                                               
the arbitrator decides is solely procedural."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1581                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ said  no,  that that  is  not what  his                                                               
understanding is.  He elaborated:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Subsection (b)  deals with the agreement  to arbitrate.                                                                    
     Subsection  (c)  is  the conditions  precedent.  ...  I                                                                    
     realize that  there are a  number of issues  that could                                                                    
     be raised  with pretty much  any section of  this bill.                                                                    
     ... There's  77 pages  of the  [UAA] which  talk about,                                                                    
     ...  in essence,  the procedural  history that  led the                                                                    
     ... [NCCUSL]  to come  up with  the language  that they                                                                    
     chose.   I'm merely  here to  present to  the committee                                                                    
     what  the ...  [NCCUSL has]  chosen, and  I think  that                                                                    
     there's a  great deal of  deference we ought  to extend                                                                    
     them because  they have a  vast amount of  expertise in                                                                    
     this subject.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA noted that in  adopting the language that the                                                               
[NCCUSL]  has  put  together, the  [NCCUSL's]  analysis  of  that                                                               
language is also being adopted.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. LESSMEIER,  in response  to a  question, relayed  that rather                                                               
than seeking a  specific amendment to the language  with which he                                                               
has  concerns, he  merely  wanted  to highlight  the  issue.   He                                                               
opined that  Representative Gruenberg  "has hit  the nail  on the                                                               
head," adding that  he did not see the necessity  of including in                                                               
subsection  (c)  the phrase,  "whether  a  contract containing  a                                                               
valid agreement  to arbitrate is  enforceable", since  it clearly                                                               
could be  read as  something substantive.   He warned  that there                                                               
would be litigation over this issue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PAVETTI posited  that that  phrase "limits  the arbitrator's                                                               
function  determining  the  condition precedent  as  having  been                                                               
fulfilled."  He  mentioned that this second  clause of subsection                                                               
(c) relates to  the case of Prima Paint Corp.  v. Flood & Conklin                                                             
Manufacturing  Co.,  388  U.S. 395  (1967),  and  suggested  that                                                             
members read  the commentary specific  to that  language provided                                                               
in the UAA.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:15 p.m. to 2:19 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE  mentioned her  intention  to  have staff  provide                                                               
members with  copies of the current  UAA and the case  law that's                                                               
been referenced.   She relayed that  Representative Berkowitz and                                                               
Mr.  Lessmeier   would  be  working   together  to   address  Mr.                                                               
Lessmeier's concern.   She  added, "It  may be  that we  agree to                                                               
disagree,  but I'd  like to  have  that ...  [issue] worked  out"                                                               
before HB  83 goes to  the House floor.   She indicated  that she                                                               
intended to have another hearing on HB 83 on [3/12/03].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1355                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said, "Madam Chair,  I just want  to be                                                               
clear that we're drawing a  very narrow point of discussion here,                                                               
to this one particular section."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE acknowledged that point.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  requested that if  an amendment to HB  83 is                                                               
forthcoming, that Mr. Pavetti review it.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE indicated agreement.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG,  regarding the Prima Paint  case, asked                                                             
Mr. Pavetti, "What was the holding on that?"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAVETTI said,                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     It involved what's  called the "separability doctrine."                                                                    
     ...  The   question  was  raised  about   an  agreement                                                                    
     obtained by fraud. ... The  court held that in order to                                                                    
     attack  the arbitration  agreement on  the doctrine  of                                                                    
     fraud,  it would  have  [to] be  shown  that the  fraud                                                                    
     related  to the  arbitration agreement  itself and  not                                                                    
     merely  to  the  entire  contract.   That  is,  if  the                                                                    
     contract  were  obtained   by  fraud,  the  arbitration                                                                    
     agreement would  still stand, unless it  could be shown                                                                    
     that the  arbitration agreement portion of  it was also                                                                    
     obtained by fraud.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  surmised, then,  that it was  really an                                                               
issue of relevance.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   PAVETTI  said   yes,  adding   that   it  established   the                                                               
separability  doctrine.    He  noted that  although  there  is  a                                                               
minority opinion that disagrees,  the second clause of subsection                                                               
(c) is intended to set forth the rule of the Prima Paint case.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  said that to  her recollection of the  Prima Paint                                                             
case, the argument,  in addition to severability,  relates to how                                                               
far "you're going  to be ... punitive with respect  to fraud, and                                                               
are you going to throw the  whole thing out because you find that                                                               
the ... underlying contract was  entered into with some degree of                                                               
fraud, are you  going to throw out the arbitration  portion of it                                                               
as well."  She remarked  that although there are cases supporting                                                               
the view that both aspects should  be thrown out, there are cases                                                               
that support allowing the arbitration clause to stand alone.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ  said   that  in   the  interests   of                                                               
"committee economy," he would be  willing to strike [beginning on                                                               
line 9 of page 3] the  phrase, "and whether a contract containing                                                               
a valid agreement to arbitrate is enforceable".                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG expressed reluctance to do so.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said that because  he does not like the Prima                                                             
Paint  rule, he  has  come  to the  conclusion  that that  phrase                                                             
should be deleted.  He added:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The Prima Paint  rule is a rule that says  if you enter                                                                  
     into a  fraudulent contract, the  arbitration provision                                                                    
     still applies,  and I don't  think that's a  good idea.                                                                    
     ...  I  think  that  the courts  that  have  taken  the                                                                    
     contrary  position   -  that   says,  if   you've  been                                                                    
     defrauded  into   a  contract,  then   the  arbitration                                                                    
     provision also shouldn't apply -  I think are the right                                                                    
     line of authority.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1079                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  made a motion  to delete from page  3, lines                                                               
9-10,  the phrase,  "and whether  a contract  containing a  valid                                                               
agreement to arbitrate is enforceable".                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PAVETTI  interjected to  say  that  it  is merely  a  policy                                                               
decision whether  Alaska follows  Prima Paint, noting  that there                                                             
are a number of jurisdictions that have declined to do so.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1012                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   McGUIRE  objected   to   Representative  Gara's   motion,                                                               
indicating that  she would  prefer to  take the  issue up  at the                                                               
next  hearing,  after  members  have   had  a  chance  to  review                                                               
additional  materials.    After  thanking Mr.  Peterson  and  the                                                               
NCCUSL for  their work on  this issue,  she announced that  HB 83                                                               
would be held over until [3/12/03].                                                                                             

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